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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast

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broadcasting from the base at la madre

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mountain just south of area 51 my name

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is ryan the original overseer of the

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airwaves bringing you an epic episode

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tonight

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who do we have

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well they don't get much better the

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founder of the utah ufo hunters he's

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been on just about every tv show and

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podcast you can imagine

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he is a epic force here in utah and was

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basically investigating things that went

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bump in the night long before it was

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popular

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i remember hearing about these things

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from his very mouth and he is uh

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how can i put it

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feature

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in utah lore he is an integral part

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of the entire phenomena

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having researched just about everything

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and anything

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way before the uh basin was popular he

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was there way before dugway was popular

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he was there it is the one the only dave

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rosenfeld

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welcome to the hero paranormal podcast

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hey man it's uh good to hear from you

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i've been good um

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you know can't complain

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good good have you heard of anything

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strange or out of this world lately

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you're definitely always kind of with

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your ear to the ground up there in utah

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and checking stuff out

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um nothing like super super cool

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recently um i do have this photograph

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though that i've been researching

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um i'm trying to get the guy to send me

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the rest of the photos but it's an

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incredible photo of a craft leaving

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michael army airfield in dugway

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it's probably one of the best pictures

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i've seen of the ufo at night

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oh man that sounds awesome

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and you do always have like killer

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photos man um

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speaking of ufos what are your thoughts

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and feelings of the press and the media

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they seem to be highly focused on ufos

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lately what's up with all the attention

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wow that's a good question i'm

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you know in my opinion

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um all this you know a tip stuff and all

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you know the

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the kind of uh exposure that ufos are

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getting lately is kind of like a i guess

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you called a soft disclosure

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um i think that they're doing this

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because they can't hide it

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forever

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and i think that um it's getting to the

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point where something i think

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something's gonna happen and like say

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they're not gonna be able to hide it so

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they get people used to the fact that

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ufos are real but the real question

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people have to ask i guess is

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now that the us government and all these

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other countries and stuff have come

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forward and saying you know ufos are

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the question you have to ask now is

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who's behind them

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right like what the heck are ufos

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soft disclosure because there's been a

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lot in the news and even the mainstream

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media about disclosure

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and a lot of people have said soft

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disclosure has already happened

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right and like say it

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for them to be coming out with you know

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this navy footage and the air force

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footage and stuff because you know it's

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clear it's

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it's um you know all this high-tech

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civilians have gotten better footage

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i think it's just because that footage

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um that it's more credible

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but i do believe i do see it out there

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incredible videos and incredible photos

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of ufos and

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than the a tip step that's my opinion

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i agree 100 percent and i think that

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a lot of credence is given to these

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of smash all the same information into a

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who will accept rules and regulations

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the way they are designed and the way

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to get a hundred different answers but

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if they talk to you know people officers

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to get different answers but in the same

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jargon so they know more like what

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they're dealing with and i think man

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something really strange dave is now

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some of these photos coming out show hd

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imagery well i shouldn't say coming out

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they're not out yet but

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um it's not all garbage

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that in highly defined high definition

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photos you can actually see occupants

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portholes have you heard of this

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where a craft landed on the ground and

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footage you can see like creatures

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describe similar things like

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they uh they can see you through these

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of the uintah basin and you've been

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studying the uni you win a basin way

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the deluge of quote-unquote experts

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what do you think is the future of the

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there's something ancient there

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like an ancient stargate or portal

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that these things are coming

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maybe even bigelow um

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kind of found out what was going on

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without having some kind of answer

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to just give up on that that property

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like that so

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maybe he did find what he was looking

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enough to to satisfy his curiosity about

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whether it be natural or artificial some

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that you

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mentioned other experiences not just ufo

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what seems to be the most prevalent

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they see this kind of stuff all the time

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and they just don't they just don't

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mention it they think it's kind of like

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normal because they grew up with it

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their field or a strange creature some

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weird tracks they just don't report that

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they just don't share it and so it's

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the stuff that happens in the basin i

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it really yeah it's it's really mystical

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the area it's rugged the experiences

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people have they keep close to the chest

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dave you've kind of switching directions

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you've also been studying other parts of

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proving ground long before it was

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anything new going on

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nothing new as far as what's going on

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the other week it was super super muddy

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i actually was testing the roads for a

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producer

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is working with me on a future project i

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or the direction he's heading with it

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uh i agreed to be involved with it

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direction he's going with it

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so i was out there kind of testing the

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waters because they want to come down

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go out to the basin as well and so i was

287
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out there just

288
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a couple weeks ago on and i didn't see

289
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as far as the as as dugway goes

290
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uh like i say that the only research

291
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right now that i'm doing on that

292
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that's that's priority is this

293
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photograph that i got

294
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um i'm really trying to reach out to

295
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this guy and

296
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and keep in contact with him he said he

297
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was going to go to his parents house and

298
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look for these other photos this was a

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photo taken back in

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in like 2009

301
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2008 or nine

302
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they were out there by uh topaz mountain

303
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doing some rock hunting they were

304
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camping out there

305
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and his dad is the one who actually took

306
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the photographs and like i say

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he he described the craft as

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triangular

309
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and when it lifted off it it left this

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glittery trail

311
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and

312
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he says you could hear it kind of but

313
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it was more or less silent besides this

314
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kind of like tone

315
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and in the photograph that he sent me

316
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you can see the glittery trail

317
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he was talking about you could see the

318
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propulsion

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um on the craft you can see the shape of

320
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the craft and there's a also a vehicle

321
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in this shot to show you scale and

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height

323
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and from from what i see in the

324
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photograph this this was a close

325
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encounter this thing is not far away at

326
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all this is

327
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[Music]

328
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this is um

329
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one of the best photographs i've ever

330
00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:44,880
seen wfo at night

331
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and so i'm trying to get

332
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negatives or trying to get the other

333
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digital photographs whatever he has

334
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to go along with that like the sequence

335
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of shots or whatever and

336
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and i'm still working on trying to get

337
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permission to

338
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post that photo

339
00:14:08,069 --> 00:14:05,760
um i've had a couple people look at it

340
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i might have even sent it to you

341
00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:10,320
back in the day but i'm not sure i know

342
00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:13,199
i sent it to a few other people i do i

343
00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:15,760
think you showed it to me and i do know

344
00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:18,639
the photo you're talking and it's eerie

345
00:14:25,189 --> 00:14:22,720
it's freaky and it does paint a picture

346
00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:25,199
it's definitely a good a good photograph

347
00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:27,760
of a ufo that's for sure and so if this

348
00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:29,519
is one of

349
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then that just goes to show you that

350
00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:37,600
what's going on at dugway

351
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what i've been

352
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researching and exposing

353
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for the last 20 years or so about dugway

354
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is true

355
00:14:53,990 --> 00:14:50,720
they they're using that runway

356
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for unconventional craft

357
00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:56,320
and if these craft like i said this is

358
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ours which it more likely is if it's

359
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taken off from that runway

360
00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:02,880
then we have technology

361
00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:04,399
way more advanced than what we're

362
00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:12,310
way more way more and um wait what like

363
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:19,350
and it makes me think of

364
00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:21,839
you know what exactly we are toying

365
00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:24,639
around with quote unquote with toys

366
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:27,920
out in locations doing things

367
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:31,120
uh there has been a lot of

368
00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:33,360
ufo reverse engineer

369
00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:34,560
lore

370
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everything from bob lazar to element 115

371
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and

372
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a lot of a lot of legends surrounding

373
00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:44,800
this stuff and a lot of the dots seem

374
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right right like phillip philip corso's

375
00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:53,120
book where he describes you know the

376
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the process that he went through to

377
00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:57,519
take this debris and put it in

378
00:16:02,389 --> 00:15:59,839
contractor's hands and start the back

379
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:02,399
engineering on it so

380
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um

381
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:04,399
it's

382
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:08,000
looking into it on when you start

383
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:10,639
looking at technology jumps

384
00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:12,720
you know how we went from

385
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let's say

386
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:16,560
computers to size of rooms to

387
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:18,639
our smartphones which has more computing

388
00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:21,120
power than the space shuttle used to you

389
00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:22,639
know

390
00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:25,519
and so it's a huge jump for us in in

391
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:28,480
technology and software in

392
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:29,519
in

393
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:31,680
molecular alloys and lasers and

394
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:34,880
microchips and all that and what

395
00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:37,920
what makes you what makes me question

396
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:41,120
all this technology jump is why

397
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:43,600
haven't we seen a jump in let's say the

398
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:45,519
aerospace

399
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:46,800
technology

400
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:49,120
why are we still using rockets why are

401
00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:50,399
we still you know

402
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:51,600
why is this

403
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:56,949
why do they want us to think that that's

404
00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:59,920
our current technology

405
00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:02,079
when we know that they have better and

406
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:03,759
they're suppressing it and you have to

407
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:05,120
ask the question why are they

408
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,360
suppressing it is it because that the

409
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:09,120
energy sources that they're using is

410
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:11,439
zero point when cost doesn't cost you

411
00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,959
anything and that people will start

412
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:14,720
asking well why can't we get that in our

413
00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:16,640
cars and their houses and

414
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:20,480
not pay bills that's probably a major

415
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:21,520
uh

416
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:23,919
influence on on why they're keeping it

417
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:26,480
suppressed

418
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:29,280
it is very likely and that's a good

419
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,280
point because i've spoken with people

420
00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:33,360
who claim that there was an internet of

421
00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:35,120
sorts working during the time of the

422
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,559
vietnam war

423
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:38,400
you know stuff that we don't get this

424
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:40,160
stuff trickles down to us and by the

425
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,000
time we get it we think we're all of

426
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:44,320
that and a bag of chips but

427
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:47,039
it's such old technology at that point

428
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:50,000
that we're really just kind of like

429
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:51,919
you know monkeys playing with a lighter

430
00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:58,390
that's true that's true and i think that

431
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:01,280
maybe some of this technology that we we

432
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:03,039
back engineered

433
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:04,960
well i know for a fact that some of this

434
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:07,360
technology that we back engineered isn't

435
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:10,480
as good as what we found

436
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:12,559
it's because we are trying to use

437
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:15,280
earth-based earthly materials to try to

438
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:18,000
recreate something that say was built in

439
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,679
outer space or

440
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:21,919
with materials that are available here

441
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:23,919
on earth

442
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:25,919
yeah it's like china trying to recreate

443
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:28,000
a rolls-royce there's there's only a

444
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,160
certain there's limits and i've heard

445
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:33,120
that with these these pieces that follow

446
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:35,039
the slag and

447
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:37,039
things that fall from ufos and these

448
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:38,160
these

449
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,880
meta materials like arts parts that or

450
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,400
jacques valet has

451
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:44,559
spoken quite often about these

452
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:48,320
they seem to have been made differently

453
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,559
or at least in environments that are

454
00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:52,320
different than our own even sometimes

455
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:54,840
not having

456
00:19:02,230 --> 00:18:58,240
oxygen right or cold fusion or other

457
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:04,630
and that's one of my favorite things is

458
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:06,240
and this is weird because you and i have

459
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:07,760
actually seen this

460
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:10,880
where they drop that like

461
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:13,200
molten material

462
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:15,200
you know it really makes you wonder what

463
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,960
is taking place here what am i looking

464
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:18,720
at is it a

465
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:21,600
is it is it a craft a nuts and bolts

466
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,640
craft is it you know some and and and

467
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:26,320
it's unfair because it's something in

468
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,160
the sky it's unfair to you know put them

469
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,400
all into the same subset

470
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:32,400
but there's also the possibility is it

471
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:34,559
biological is it somewhere in between

472
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,120
the two is it is it something that

473
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,520
just reads the thoughts of its

474
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:41,760
inhabitants or those managing the

475
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:45,039
vehicle there's so many questions

476
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:48,480
well you know in during my research in

477
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:50,000
the ufos and stuff i've come across

478
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:51,440
stories where

479
00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:52,720
um

480
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,559
let's say a pilot

481
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:56,640
is i think one of the stories that read

482
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:02,789
um got con

483
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:04,880
had some kind of encounter with the ufo

484
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:08,320
in his fighter plane

485
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,600
and

486
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:11,360
was

487
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,240
given the okay to shoot at the ufo and

488
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:16,080
when he

489
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:17,440
armed his

490
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:18,960
his guns

491
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:22,640
he lost all control of the plane

492
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:28,549
afterwards i guess there was some kind

493
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,080
of contact with the aliens and

494
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,799
the costa rica air force

495
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:36,159
and

496
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,360
you know this story

497
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,679
is very old um

498
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:42,240
i don't remember everything but

499
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,120
i do believe reading a part where the

500
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,080
the so-called occupants or the et's were

501
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:49,840
explaining that

502
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,310
who

503
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:56,159
disabled the craft

504
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:59,200
disabled the the pilot's plane

505
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:02,240
it was the craft itself

506
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,600
that was defending itself

507
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,520
so i took that and i put it in the gray

508
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:09,280
box you know and then you start hearing

509
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,840
about let's say elon musk right now is

510
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:13,760
is doing this

511
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,679
you know we to

512
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,600
to make

513
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:20,159
the technology that we're using nowadays

514
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,280
quicker

515
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,440
so instead of using your finger on your

516
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,919
phone you would be it would be a neural

517
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:27,440
link

518
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,640
so you would have a chip in your brain

519
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,400
and all you would have to do is think it

520
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,960
and the computer would do it

521
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,240
and so

522
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,760
if you think about that you have

523
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,840
computers out there right now that are

524
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,600
working faster than the human brain can

525
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,840
work could actually you know do things

526
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,080
faster than a human can do

527
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,919
because they're not using their fingers

528
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,679
they're not using their hands or using

529
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,520
their eyes they're just

530
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,360
doing it

531
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:56,080
and so you think about it if

532
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,430
you take that into consideration okay

533
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,039
here's here's a civil

534
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:06,960
civilization out there that's

535
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,360
say millions of years ahead of us

536
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:11,760
and they've mastered this technology

537
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,880
this neural link let's say let's call it

538
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,840
where

539
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:17,919
there are no buttons there are no

540
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:21,280
controls it's all thought activated

541
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,080
so there's this creature this being gets

542
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,559
in the craft he thinks where he wants to

543
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:28,400
go and the craft takes in there and the

544
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,520
craft itself is so intelligent because

545
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:33,039
it's ai

546
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:36,559
whether it be a biological or machine

547
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,320
has the ability to defend itself

548
00:22:43,670 --> 00:22:42,400
before the occupant even knows that

549
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,680
there's a danger

550
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,159
[Music]

551
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,840
see what i'm saying so if you start

552
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,679
shooting at a ufo the occupant doesn't

553
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,919
need to see you shooting at it or know

554
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,280
that you're shooting at the craft

555
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,600
already knows it's being

556
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,919
attacked and defends itself

557
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,840
makes perfect sense it's machine

558
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,880
learning it's what it's designed to do

559
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,480
right you start looking at some of this

560
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,720
stuff out there with this ai you know

561
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,400
these robots are making that look like

562
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,640
humans and they can walk around and it's

563
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:12,159
not they're they're saying that these

564
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:13,280
things

565
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,320
will be smarter than us they will react

566
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:18,320
faster than us because they're computing

567
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,280
power

568
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,799
so you think about that okay if you're

569
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,720
making a craft that's kind of like a

570
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,159
robot and it's

571
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,799
designed to protect you from space or

572
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,480
debris or whatever whatever you come

573
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,720
across in your travels

574
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,159
of course it's going to be smarter than

575
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,159
the occupant

576
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,080
it's going to react faster it's going to

577
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,080
do all that and so i think that's the

578
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,400
word the technology is going nowadays is

579
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:43,120
this spot activated type of technology

580
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,159
but if you

581
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,559
you take that idea and you put it into

582
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,240
the ufo subject then it kind of makes

583
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:50,559
sense on some of this the maneuvers that

584
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,360
the ufos make the

585
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,919
the defense capabilities of the ufo i

586
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,200
mean it's

587
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,520
it just connects some dots and makes

588
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,600
sense to me

589
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:03,679
well man it's i don't know if you've had

590
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,320
the opportunity i'm sure you have

591
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:07,919
to have seen

592
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:10,240
you know elon musk's

593
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,840
uh rockets re-entering our atmosphere

594
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,679
and landing themselves

595
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,200
it looks

596
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:19,600
to me like something out of a science

597
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,000
fiction movie

598
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,110
yeah it doesn't look real it looks like

599
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,279
it looks like yeah a movie

600
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,679
exactly like you would see something

601
00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:34,080
you know in some

602
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:35,240
i don't know

603
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:40,390
because i mean

604
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,350
that's what that's what blows me away is

605
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,279
that why are we still using rockets when

606
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:50,880
there's better propulsion systems out

607
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,630
you know

608
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,640
i think it's because that's what they

609
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,520
want the public to see that's what it is

610
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,679
exactly

611
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,200
that's what they want the public to

612
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:05,360
think oh this is current technology it's

613
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,630
but me and you i mean we both know i

614
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:11,840
mean i've met people that worked at

615
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,000
dugway that tell me about let's say the

616
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,840
adventure star crafted you know third

617
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,919
generation anti-gravity crap doesn't

618
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,080
need any support doesn't need a huge

619
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:22,080
launch facility it doesn't need any you

620
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:23,440
know any kind of ground support or

621
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,549
a different type of technology a

622
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:30,400
different type of propulsion system it's

623
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,200
not using rockets it's not

624
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,919
it's it's totally probably zero point

625
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:36,960
and

626
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,840
total anti-gravity so if we have that

627
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:41,600
kind of technology why aren't we using

628
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,310
that's the big question i have because

629
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:51,200
to me it just doesn't make sense if

630
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,559
and then people are like okay well if

631
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:54,320
they have that type of technology it

632
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:55,679
wouldn't be secret somebody would have

633
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,039
talked by now well i wonder that because

634
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,760
we often hear these little tidbits come

635
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,840
through the media for example

636
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,320
when they quote unquote got bin laden

637
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,919
which everybody has their opinion about

638
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:08,880
that

639
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:12,320
this seal team had to detonate explosive

640
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,200
to

641
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,840
destroy one of the craft

642
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,840
they said it was a helicopter but they

643
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,320
had to destroy one of the craft that

644
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,600
they claimed

645
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,000
malfunctioned or tapped the fence or

646
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,080
laid down or whatever

647
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,080
and that just kind of seems a little bit

648
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,640
excessive to me for a helicopter

649
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,720
do you know what i mean that's like

650
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:35,039
i don't care how awesome the helicopter

651
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:36,000
is

652
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,080
but to it just destroy it vaporize it

653
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,919
and every once in a while there are

654
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,120
these things that come through the media

655
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,720
where you're like why did why did they

656
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,080
destroy that

657
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,159
and it makes you wonder you know are we

658
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,559
using these things are we using quote

659
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:52,960
cloaking technology on reverse

660
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:56,400
engineered craft and it's stuff that we

661
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:04,230
well that's probably one of the big

662
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:06,799
reasons is they don't want

663
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:09,520
you know our enemies to see it

664
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,480
but you think about it too i mean if if

665
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:15,120
the russians had come across the bound

666
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,480
ufo

667
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:18,320
back in the 50s

668
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,310
which is probably more unlikely

669
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,679
[Music]

670
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,480
and they were already probably 30 years

671
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,640
ahead of us on the back engineering

672
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,960
scale because when colonel corso started

673
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,360
handing out materials from the roswell

674
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:33,520
craft he sat on it for 30 years before

675
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,590
you know

676
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:41,039
unbelievable

677
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,559
amount of time that that's one of the

678
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,640
things i mean if the chinese had one i

679
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,240
mean they're they're probably way ahead

680
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,360
of us i mean so you think about it

681
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:51,039
you know and

682
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,559
and also you have to look at it like

683
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:54,799
this okay

684
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:57,200
like elon musk okay he has the ability

685
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,399
to leave the planet

686
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,880
okay and this is a public figure

687
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,520
a billionaire that's eccentric and wants

688
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,440
to do his own thing and this that and so

689
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,679
he's in the public eye so he's he's

690
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:11,840
doing this but you think about let's say

691
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,799
um a military contractor like

692
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,279
boeing a razeon or one of those you know

693
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,080
lockheed or something

694
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,320
and let's say they get a contract okay

695
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:24,960
the u.s government wants you to build

696
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,789
and we want two of them so they give you

697
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,960
you know 30 billion dollars

698
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,600
and lockheed goes in and makes

699
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,440
five of them

700
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,200
gives the government two and keeps three

701
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,600
for themselves

702
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:43,600
what's to say that that's not happening

703
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,159
or happened already and that these

704
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,880
secret programs are are

705
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,880
run by individuals that are out of the

706
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,640
public eye

707
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,840
totally

708
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,840
black

709
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,320
and let's say they're leaving the planet

710
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,080
on a regular basis and so they're

711
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,480
starting let's say

712
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,279
their own civilization somewhere

713
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,480
so you have this breakaway civilization

714
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,720
and i think that that's probably

715
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,799
happening right now and that pro it

716
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,200
probably happened back in world war ii

717
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,590
right the german the german technology

718
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,679
that was going on and they they kind of

719
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:26,080
escaped to argentina

720
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:26,960
and

721
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:38,000
this technology

722
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,679
that was earthly based it was german

723
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,880
technology

724
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,399
that was

725
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,640
back engineered from et tech or whatever

726
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,600
but

727
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:49,600
they're flying around in these craft and

728
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,159
people and they probably themselves

729
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,000
probably

730
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,080
encouraged the media to think that they

731
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:57,919
were ufos instead of

732
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,640
what they really are

733
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,559
so you look at a big picture and you're

734
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,240
thinking okay if this was happening back

735
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,000
in the 50s and 60s it's definitely

736
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,679
happening now

737
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,200
there's breakaway civilizations

738
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:10,799
happening there's there's there's

739
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,470
there's probably numerous ones out there

740
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,320
that are either living on other planets

741
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,399
living on the moon living underground

742
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,919
living in the ocean

743
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:23,520
who knows

744
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,960
with the amount of money that that goes

745
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,799
into black projects you know that that's

746
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,039
probably happening well the moon is a

747
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,440
perfect example here is a

748
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,600
public relations

749
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:37,440
in my opinion

750
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:41,200
situation or nightmare really because

751
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:42,000
it's

752
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,279
the closest

753
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,000
and we apparently went there the first

754
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,399
in 1969

755
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,640
and then we are led to believe we have

756
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,880
not been back

757
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:54,399
now

758
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,480
from just a leap maybe it's just the you

759
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:02,640
know civilian layperson perspective but

760
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,389
me too me too unless

761
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,159
unless

762
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,559
the moon is inhabited

763
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,399
and when we went to the moon

764
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:17,279
and we had no now this is this is you

765
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,880
can look this up it's documented um

766
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,000
we

767
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,039
intended to nuke the moon

768
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,799
and every time we landed on the moon we

769
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,799
put seismograph meters on there for that

770
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:30,399
purpose

771
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,760
later on the plan was to nuke the moon i

772
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,679
don't know why just to see what would

773
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,080
happen i don't know how science is just

774
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,080
crazy like that let's just try it you

775
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:42,000
know

776
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,279
what's going to happen but let's push

777
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,679
the button anyway you know so

778
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,519
what's the worst that can happen right

779
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:53,919
right right right we just fry the earth

780
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:56,399
that's all you know but anyways

781
00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:00,559
i think there's inhabitants on the moon

782
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,360
that

783
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,279
found out our agenda

784
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:05,919
and said don't you come back you're not

785
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,870
and i think maybe that's one reason why

786
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,159
we haven't been back and that's why

787
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,519
we're skipping the moon and going to

788
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,440
mars

789
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,080
it is weird it is really weird that we

790
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,080
have not at least set up

791
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,080
you know there are minerals on the moon

792
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,880
that we need for cell phones etc it's

793
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:27,360
very strange that being as close as it

794
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,640
is and with our technology advancements

795
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:32,960
and all of this capability that

796
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,000
you know we can blast a

797
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,960
rover into space to mars and we can

798
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,320
blast a

799
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,760
telescope

800
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:44,159
a million miles and you know but we

801
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:45,760
cannot seem

802
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:49,200
to grasp or get a hold of the moon in

803
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:52,000
any way or shape or form that is

804
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,679
relatively

805
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:55,039
impressive

806
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:56,480
i mean really we haven't been back at

807
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:57,120
all

808
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,720
yeah yeah

809
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,480
or even practical because you think that

810
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:02,480
the moon would be a great stepping stone

811
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,440
to

812
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,159
explore space further so i mean if you

813
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:08,240
had a base on the moon where you could

814
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,600
leave the earth

815
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:12,320
go to that base on the moon

816
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,909
to go to mars or wherever i think that

817
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:21,679
would be a

818
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:25,519
a practical solution to space travel

819
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:26,240
and

820
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,440
on the moon that we could be harvesting

821
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,039
as well so

822
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,919
at what better place to let's say set up

823
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,159
satellites and communications and stuff

824
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,919
for the earth

825
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,840
you know

826
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,840
i just don't get it myself i think that

827
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:45,519
there's more to it than

828
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,399
than what they're telling us and i do

829
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:50,240
believe that there

830
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,679
there's probably

831
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,840
some kind of intelligence on the moon

832
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,519
that

833
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,679
probably warned us

834
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:00,080
you know back in the apollo days to to

835
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:01,360
not come back

836
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,640
yeah now i i heard an interesting story

837
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,120
and i i can't remember it all or where i

838
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,040
even got it

839
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,879
but because you know i've been in this

840
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,200
so long that some of the stuff you just

841
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:15,919
you just put in the gray box for later

842
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:18,960
but i did hear a rumor

843
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,839
about

844
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:23,599
somebody i think it was somebody from

845
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,359
nasa who off the cuff told me

846
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,800
that we

847
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,119
were not the first the americans were

848
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,159
not the first ones on the moon that when

849
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,159
we landed on the moon we found a

850
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:38,000
monument

851
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,440
on the moon

852
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,679
that said we the people of earth put

853
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,679
this might you know

854
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:45,679
but it was in

855
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:51,510
so like

856
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,079
language in in india

857
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,200
interesting yeah so you're that's this

858
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:01,520
would kind of take all of the dazzle out

859
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,640
of being the first on the moon

860
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,440
right and that was a huge secret

861
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:09,520
but it had to do with ancient technology

862
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,990
now i don't know if there's any truth to

863
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,839
that or not but that's something i heard

864
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,160
off the cuff and i've always kind of

865
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,160
held on to that going okay well maybe we

866
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,160
were you know the first

867
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,390
at least earthling on the moon

868
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,160
well and there's other stories that are

869
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,960
really interesting the dutch national

870
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:37,040
national museum

871
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,119
said um in 2009 that one of its most

872
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,200
prized possessions

873
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,359
a rock supposedly brought back from the

874
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:48,079
moon by us astronauts was

875
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,839
just pretty fried wood so it was fake

876
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,320
it was fake yeah i mean so there's so

877
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,000
much going on

878
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,200
it it just you know like you said it's

879
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,040
what do you believe you can either

880
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,200
believe we never went we went and saw

881
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,359
something was there we went we're still

882
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:07,760
there we have mining operations i've

883
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,560
heard

884
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,480
people claim that there's more going on

885
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:12,320
than we could ever believe but it's on

886
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,599
the back side

887
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,079
so there's a lot of a lot of strange

888
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,760
theories when it comes to something so

889
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,839
close to us

890
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,160
right moon is one of those big mysteries

891
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,320
in the ufo field as well

892
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:25,680
it's um

893
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,320
it's really strange that uh you start

894
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,480
following the money

895
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,240
um with the apollo programs the stuff

896
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:34,160
that walt disney was involved with a lot

897
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:41,510
it's weird right that is so weird he

898
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,480
asked why why does nasa have a huge one

899
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,280
of the largest um

900
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:48,960
um

901
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:00,790
what's up with that

902
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,839
you know why does a space agency need to

903
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,630
a movie theater where they make movies

904
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,320
and cgi and all that type of thing i

905
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,680
mean what's going on there are they

906
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:14,240
faking it all is it

907
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,920
is it all just a big big stage that this

908
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,359
is what they

909
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,440
want us to believe that we're

910
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,960
i mean because you think about it too in

911
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,280
the cold war

912
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,440
when we were in the space race

913
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,280
and all that

914
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:31,920
it was it was our objective to reach the

915
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,839
moon to be number one in the space race

916
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:36,640
right so

917
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,839
i have

918
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,680
connected some dots and heard some

919
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,599
rumors and and all this that you know

920
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:42,960
hey that

921
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,680
walt disney was involved with

922
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,359
faking

923
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:49,760
moon footage they had these huge studios

924
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,640
and models and scale models and all this

925
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:55,280
to fake the moon landing

926
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,160
okay

927
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,720
so if we didn't make it to the moon we

928
00:38:02,829 --> 00:37:59,760
could still

929
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:02,839
tell the world that we did

930
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:05,760
okay so then i've heard other stories

931
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,480
where okay we did make it to the moon

932
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,400
but what we found on the moon we could

933
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,320
never show anybody

934
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,160
or show the public

935
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,960
so we're gonna roll back to the disney

936
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:18,960
footage that we set up before and use

937
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,710
so it's a huge mystery and a huge you

938
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,640
know conspiracy theories and all that

939
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,160
type of thing about the moon i mean you

940
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,240
hear so much of this that's kind of like

941
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,160
well that kind of makes sense and hear

942
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,920
other stuff like no that couldn't happen

943
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,119
and then you're like

944
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,920
something else you're like okay well

945
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,560
that now that makes sense

946
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:42,320
now you can start connecting some dots

947
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,520
and go

948
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,280
maybe that's the way it went down maybe

949
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,760
you know and so it's it's just one of

950
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,280
those things that you have to just keep

951
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:52,320
in that in that gray folder and say okay

952
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,119
until

953
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,119
something more comes out where we can

954
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,839
connect some more dots it's going to be

955
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,599
you know an enigma

956
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,280
and i think you're right that's right

957
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,320
where that belongs because

958
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,839
it would make sense

959
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,040
either way

960
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,119
no matter what no matter what you were

961
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,680
going to encounter on the moon to have

962
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:12,880
footage

963
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:16,960
of a perfect landing a perfect you know

964
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:19,520
patriotic journey

965
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,320
and

966
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:22,560
you know successful mission

967
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:26,079
whether it's before during or afterwards

968
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,520
you know and

969
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:30,000
kubrick had a lot you know you see some

970
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:31,119
of you know

971
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,720
kubrick's work with 2001 a space odyssey

972
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,760
and

973
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,000
man that's right around the same time

974
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:40,960
and a lot of that stuff looks really

975
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:44,320
really similar believable and stuff that

976
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:50,069
right and you know at the time in the

977
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:51,599
you know

978
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,280
everything was kind of

979
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,440
low tech back then

980
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,920
and so when you if you have a let's say

981
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:04,000
a professional movie studio like walt

982
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:05,440
disney

983
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,319
creating models and stage sets and stuff

984
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:10,960
like this and i mean it could it could

985
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:13,760
very well pass as the real thing

986
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,880
especially on a black and white tv and

987
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:18,720
you know with a delay and all that type

988
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,069
fascinating man not only just the walt

989
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,920
disney aspect because he's involved with

990
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,760
so much occult stuff

991
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,000
but then the fact that he was kind of a

992
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,920
dreamer and this kind of stuff is right

993
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,160
up his alley

994
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:37,599
right

995
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,760
probably

996
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,440
the best person to go to for something

997
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:45,920
like that he had the most um resources

998
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,119
and artists and you know creative people

999
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,760
on his team already to to pull off

1000
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:53,280
something like that

1001
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,560
[Music]

1002
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:57,359
yeah he would be the perfect agent and

1003
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,800
um

1004
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,560
interestingly kind of going in a

1005
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,359
different direction more earth-based

1006
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,680
dave being in utah

1007
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,359
i

1008
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,760
used to hear all of the

1009
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,440
rumors and

1010
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,079
stories and legends about crossroads

1011
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,880
maul and down there around temple square

1012
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,920
well

1013
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,560
it seems that the temple has been

1014
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,119
undergoing a huge

1015
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:24,800
rebuild have you been able to check any

1016
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:30,390
yes it's incredible it was just like the

1017
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:31,520
um

1018
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,400
the rebuild they did what 10 10 20 years

1019
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:36,079
ago

1020
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,280
across the street from the temple

1021
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,520
i do remember go check that that hole

1022
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,160
they dug for that building was

1023
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,599
so deep

1024
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:47,119
that when you look through the fence and

1025
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,560
look down

1026
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,480
the dump trucks look like little teeny

1027
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:52,640
ants they were it was so far down you're

1028
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,160
like why aren't they digging so far

1029
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,599
you know that's a huge amount of

1030
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,440
material to be to come out and all and

1031
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,359
then you could then of course you know

1032
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,520
being who i am and i remember you know

1033
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,200
the brat and days and the underground

1034
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,440
with the crossroads small stuff on oh

1035
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,440
they're probably

1036
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,599
refitting some of those tunnels under

1037
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,319
there you know yeah and hooking up

1038
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:16,000
hooking up to those tunnels and and

1039
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,440
you're like okay well that makes sense

1040
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,599
why they've gone so deep

1041
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,960
you know

1042
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:23,359
it was just amazing to see how far they

1043
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,240
dug

1044
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,240
and it's like why i mean that's not

1045
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,640
parking that's not

1046
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:30,720
you know yeah we're never allowed to go

1047
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:35,200
anywhere near that low or that deep

1048
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:36,079
right

1049
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,440
major influence here in utah they have a

1050
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,599
lot lots and lots of money and i do

1051
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,599
believe if the church did find something

1052
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,599
underground

1053
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,760
let's say back in the pioneer days when

1054
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:52,319
they first got here

1055
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,280
and

1056
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,800
something ancient

1057
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,240
they would have kept it secret they

1058
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:58,079
would have used part of it they would

1059
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:58,880
have

1060
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,760
exploited it to their benefit and maybe

1061
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,560
maybe they did run into some

1062
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,800
you know who knows rip tillians down

1063
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,359
there or something

1064
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:10,960
and they've been in cahoots with them

1065
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:11,599
and

1066
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,520
you know

1067
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,319
a church with that kind of power has

1068
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,720
a lot of influence on

1069
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,960
let's say not only the state but

1070
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:22,960
contractors and

1071
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:25,119
and government and

1072
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,960
you know

1073
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,800
who knows what the reach could be but if

1074
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,119
they if they had something if they found

1075
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,760
something and kept it secret and now

1076
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,400
started sharing it with um say black

1077
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,040
projects or the government or whatever

1078
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,560
it would make sense that they would be

1079
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:42,720
allowed to do things that other

1080
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,280
companies or other churches or

1081
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,119
other individuals would wouldn't be able

1082
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,720
to do and that that's one of those

1083
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:49,920
things i mean

1084
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,280
the depth of that hole blew me away the

1085
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:55,280
amount of material they took out of that

1086
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,270
you know that building across from just

1087
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:03,839
north of i forget what that's right yeah

1088
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:07,280
where crossroads mall was yeah

1089
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,560
was

1090
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,960
is it's a it's a block it's about a city

1091
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,960
block

1092
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,760
and man it went down

1093
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,960
i couldn't even tell you how far it

1094
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,480
looks when i look through the fence

1095
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,960
there through the through the plywood

1096
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,720
to a knot hole in the plywood and look

1097
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:24,960
down in there i was blown away on how

1098
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,599
deep that was

1099
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,839
well it's strange but i'll have to go

1100
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,280
i'll have to go check out the new

1101
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:33,119
construction down there and because

1102
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,560
we're down there you know

1103
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,079
doing jobs and stuff downtown all the

1104
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,319
time i'll have to stop and look

1105
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,079
yeah it is strange i remember hearing

1106
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,240
those stories as well about crossroads

1107
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,400
mall and cross worlds and like the

1108
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,800
different you know employees

1109
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,680
getting glimpses into some of these back

1110
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,240
hallways and caverns and

1111
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,400
tunnel systems and seeing things that

1112
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,880
weren't necessarily human looking

1113
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:58,640
and um

1114
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,480
i was mesmerized there is

1115
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,880
you know definitely something to the

1116
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,720
theory that a lot of these major

1117
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,640
religions whether it's catholicism with

1118
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,000
the vatican

1119
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,319
or of course the latter day saints the

1120
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,920
mormon church has it as well they have

1121
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:15,119
these

1122
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,560
large vault areas with a lot of evidence

1123
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,119
that could surely

1124
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,520
lead to something and whether that's

1125
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,440
like their own

1126
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,520
you know uh

1127
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,000
dismay or not nobody knows but they have

1128
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,119
so many both it seems like these major

1129
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,200
world religions

1130
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,440
have a lot of dirt and it's a lot of

1131
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,240
dirt and it's all hidden hidden away in

1132
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,400
places where only they can access it and

1133
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,000
it makes your head go to different

1134
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,359
places like what exactly are they hiding

1135
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:49,040
all right exactly like the vatican and

1136
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,319
all that i mean

1137
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,000
the archives they have there i mean

1138
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,839
nobody gets to see there's also let's

1139
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,760
say that the private individuals like

1140
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,200
the rockefellers who have their own

1141
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,800
museum

1142
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,480
nobody gets to see half that stuff

1143
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,920
that's in there and

1144
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,599
you know

1145
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,280
they could be hiding a lot of history

1146
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,760
back there about you know

1147
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,680
where we come from and what we're doing

1148
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,640
here and

1149
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,560
past civilizations you know all that

1150
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,480
kind of thing but hey getting back to

1151
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,240
the underground here in each other you

1152
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,760
just reminded me of this story that i

1153
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:20,000
heard from a

1154
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:21,760
um a guy that used to work out their

1155
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:25,200
strip mine on backstreet yeah yeah yeah

1156
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:26,079
and

1157
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:28,000
i used to hang out with some of these

1158
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:29,280
guys and

1159
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,640
have a beer with them and you know you

1160
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,160
get a few beers and some of these people

1161
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,839
and they start throwing the beans on

1162
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,680
stuff and this one guy who told me one

1163
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:37,040
time because he kind of knew what i was

1164
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:38,400
into

1165
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,599
and he came sat down by me one day and

1166
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,440
he says hey i've got a

1167
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,520
story to tell you what happened today

1168
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,440
i gotta tell somebody

1169
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,599
so he starts telling me about okay he's

1170
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,599
the he's one of the guys that drills the

1171
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,800
holes

1172
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,520
in the mountainside for the blasting

1173
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,680
so he drills all the holes the guy comes

1174
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,520
in afterwards puts the charges in there

1175
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,599
and they they set off this like line of

1176
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,520
explosives to take down

1177
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,880
part of the

1178
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,319
strip mine there so they can get the

1179
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,560
gravel and stuff out of there so

1180
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,359
they did this on one day and it was

1181
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,119
blasting time

1182
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,560
and they blasted a huge line away

1183
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,319
and they started cleaning up the

1184
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,520
rubble

1185
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:21,440
pushing it down the hill

1186
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,839
and they ran into a

1187
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,400
void

1188
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,240
and so him and like three other guys

1189
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,400
they they kind of looked in this this

1190
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,000
space and he says what i've seen in

1191
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,880
there was like it was like a tunnel

1192
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,880
he says but what was weird about it it

1193
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,720
looked like porcelain

1194
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,119
like had been melted

1195
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,200
and there was no seams at all there was

1196
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,280
no rivets there was no screws there was

1197
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:45,040
no bolts there was nothing it was just

1198
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,190
like almost like something went in and

1199
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,000
melted this hole through the belt

1200
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,839
so they went to their boss and they say

1201
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:57,280
you need to come up here take a look at

1202
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,640
this we run into some voyage or

1203
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,920
something

1204
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,400
boss comes up there sees it

1205
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,400
doesn't even look inside of it just

1206
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,960
looks at it and goes cover it up

1207
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:09,520
don't go in it people go in those places

1208
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,200
and they don't come back so cover it up

1209
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,119
so that's what they did and so i asked

1210
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,480
him where is this

1211
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,839
you know where were you guys digging

1212
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:19,440
where he says i can't tell i'll lose my

1213
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,559
job i had to sign an nda

1214
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,960
i'll lose my job if i tell you but i'll

1215
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,839
tell you

1216
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,680
one thing

1217
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,240
when you look at that strip mine

1218
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,400
and you trying to figure out where this

1219
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:35,119
where this was it's where we're not

1220
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,510
he says it headed toward the capitol

1221
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,640
building

1222
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,720
at capitol hill

1223
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:46,480
so that's like right toward crossroads

1224
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:51,670
that kind of blew me away to hear this

1225
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,150
a guy that works at a you know on a

1226
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,520
at a strip mine i mean like

1227
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:03,200
why would this guy make this up he

1228
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,720
wouldn't

1229
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,640
he has no reason to

1230
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,760
you know

1231
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,599
and that direction

1232
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,359
i mean towards the capitol

1233
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,200
yeah that's exactly that's it that it

1234
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,880
was heading toward the capitol and from

1235
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,640
from back street if you drew a line from

1236
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,319
back street to the capitol it would run

1237
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,920
right through the capitol

1238
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,160
right through crossroads mall

1239
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,040
and you know dave that story is eerily

1240
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:27,760
similar and familiar to i don't know if

1241
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,559
you've heard of anjali this this girl

1242
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,000
anjali

1243
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,760
uh this woman

1244
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:35,920
coming forward about a

1245
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,559
story similar of an underground base in

1246
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,480
a mountain somewhere in the mojave

1247
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:42,319
desert

1248
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,400
but what she does recollect is that this

1249
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,880
cavern that she cave cavern whatever

1250
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,040
that she entered base

1251
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,280
was like you said there was

1252
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:55,760
no seams

1253
00:50:06,710 --> 00:49:59,599
and no junctures no rivets no

1254
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,990
i don't know

1255
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:09,760
really stimulate

1256
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,200
really similar yeah

1257
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,760
so another

1258
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,359
thing with the underground i mean it

1259
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:19,040
just kind of popped into my mind is hey

1260
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,480
you know i used to

1261
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,480
just work next door to a company called

1262
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,319
ale

1263
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,640
antarctic logistics expeditions they're

1264
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,559
the ones that pack your stuff

1265
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,040
for when you go to antarctica

1266
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,800
so they pack them up in these pods and

1267
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,319
they weigh it and all this type of thing

1268
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,440
and they try to mim minimal minimalize

1269
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,760
what you're bringing and you know to for

1270
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,280
the weight purposes and all that type of

1271
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,119
thing and so i started hearing all this

1272
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,000
stuff about antarctica

1273
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,160
on the news and it was probably been a

1274
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,480
year or two but you remember when

1275
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:52,079
all these big wigs were going to

1276
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:53,680
antarctica you know

1277
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,400
the pope um

1278
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,800
the astronauts were going down there and

1279
00:51:01,589 --> 00:51:00,160
you know it's just like all these

1280
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,599
high-profile people were going to

1281
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,319
antarctica and you're like why

1282
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:06,160
why were they being invited down there

1283
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:07,599
and it's almost like they were being

1284
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,280
shown something yeah you know

1285
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,720
and i remember

1286
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,720
um one of the astra i think it was i

1287
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,800
can't remember which one it was but when

1288
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,800
he went down there they had to fly him

1289
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,559
out

1290
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:23,200
in some kind of emergency situation like

1291
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,640
you had a heart attack yeah something

1292
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,480
squirrely happened

1293
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,880
right and there was there was no kind of

1294
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,319
um after

1295
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:33,119
story to it or follow-up or anything

1296
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,720
like that on it and i just thought it

1297
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,119
was really strange that you know because

1298
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,200
to go to antarctica it takes a lot of

1299
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:41,359
logistics i mean you just can't fly in

1300
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,640
and out of that place because there was

1301
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,160
the weather and

1302
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,559
you know all sorts of you know variables

1303
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:48,559
that are involved with what's going down

1304
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:55,190
show him whatever they wanted to show

1305
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,960
him and then apparently it was so

1306
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:58,480
shocking to him that he had a heart

1307
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:01,040
attack and they had to you know

1308
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:02,720
have this emergency flight out of there

1309
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,760
to get him out of there and all this

1310
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,760
stuff that's a huge thing and that's

1311
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,680
something that

1312
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,440
that caught my eye

1313
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,680
and i was like something more is going

1314
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,680
on there so i started looking into the

1315
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,960
antarctic thing

1316
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:16,480
more

1317
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:18,000
and started hearing stories from the

1318
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,599
state when the moment how and you know

1319
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,839
these these military people say that

1320
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,920
there's some kind of base there or

1321
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,839
there's this giant door

1322
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,000
they went in it was like tropical it was

1323
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:29,839
you know 70 degrees and you know all

1324
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:33,599
this type of thing you're like okay well

1325
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,640
let me ask ale to see if they know

1326
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,480
anything you know

1327
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,319
and so i hit up a few of their employees

1328
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:42,240
you know they go down there twice a year

1329
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,440
so

1330
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,280
i hit him up about oh you see the

1331
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,880
pictures online about these pyramids

1332
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,240
down there and he goes

1333
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,079
oh i have to look into that and i said

1334
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,680
well what's the deal with

1335
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:53,440
the astronauts going down there and the

1336
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:55,920
pope go on that he goes i don't know he

1337
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,800
says

1338
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,440
that's really unusual

1339
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,880
for those type of people to go down

1340
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,240
there because usually the people that go

1341
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,079
down there are either

1342
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:06,480
working for scientists or they're

1343
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,240
scientists themselves or they're

1344
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:10,800
adventurers that want to say oh i want

1345
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,119
to walk across you know and hit south

1346
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,280
pole by foot or i want to do it on

1347
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,040
mountain bike or you know

1348
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,280
or i want to be the first one to skydive

1349
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,040
and you know that type of thing they're

1350
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,040
adventurers and stuff like this but

1351
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:25,040
for these high-profile people to be

1352
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,880
going down there i just don't get

1353
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:30,079
you know a couple of them say i don't

1354
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,839
get why they were going down they and

1355
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,520
it's a mystery to me too why they were

1356
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,880
down there

1357
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,640
he says and he was telling me you know

1358
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,960
it takes a lot of logistics to go down

1359
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:40,640
there and a lot of planning in this now

1360
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,520
and for

1361
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,200
these people to go down there and say

1362
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:45,280
the pope

1363
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:46,160
i mean

1364
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:47,440
how old is he

1365
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,800
i mean for him to make that journey

1366
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,200
it had to be really important for him to

1367
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,119
go down there

1368
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:57,520
for them them whatever they show you

1369
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,839
know we're showing them but

1370
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,680
he did tell one of the employees did

1371
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,400
tell me about the

1372
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,920
the crew that went down there the film

1373
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:08,079
crew that disappeared

1374
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,680
um

1375
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:11,440
they found their film footage and their

1376
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,480
camp but they've never found them

1377
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,400
and he says what they found on the

1378
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,079
cameras because they did find a couple

1379
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,240
camcorders what they found on those

1380
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:22,079
those camcorders

1381
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:23,359
was

1382
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,400
stunning

1383
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:26,079
he says now i've heard rumors i just

1384
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,440
said i haven't seen the footage myself

1385
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:29,200
but i heard

1386
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,040
that they came came across something

1387
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,240
that would have changed the world

1388
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,559
and they end up disappearing now i don't

1389
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,799
know if they were taken out by

1390
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,319
an elite group because they were going

1391
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,240
to talk or

1392
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,839
whoever was at this

1393
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,839
space or underground thing or whatever

1394
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,760
they came across might have

1395
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,520
taken them out or

1396
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,760
it just it just fascinates me the whole

1397
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,079
antarctica thing um

1398
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:58,240
and i try to follow it as much as i can

1399
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,839
but when you start talking about the

1400
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:01,839
underground that that comes to mind for

1401
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,960
me is the antarctica thing and what's

1402
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,559
what's really going on down there

1403
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,880
because i think that's

1404
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:11,119
that is going to be a major part this is

1405
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,319
my opinion i think it's going to be a

1406
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,640
major part in disclosure

1407
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:17,200
well exactly and how far-fetched could

1408
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,240
this all be really i mean people in

1409
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,040
areas of afghanistan kandahar

1410
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,200
places where these giants are known to

1411
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,280
rome have been saying it for years

1412
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,839
nobody ever believes it until

1413
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,440
soldiers of ours claim to have

1414
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:33,680
encountered it so this stuff right i

1415
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,200
mean a lot of this stuff is spoken of

1416
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,760
the the hollow earth or the underground

1417
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:42,079
bases in antarctica have been

1418
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,359
i mean they're they're rumored so often

1419
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,680
that when i've spoken with scientists

1420
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,680
that are down in antarctica they almost

1421
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,160
they know it's coming like they're aware

1422
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,920
of the

1423
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:56,400
they know what everybody thinks so

1424
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:59,200
um just that fact makes it pretty pretty

1425
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,920
interesting um before we as we kind of

1426
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,000
start to wrap up here dave can you tell

1427
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,319
our listeners where they can keep uh

1428
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,400
touch with you on social media what you

1429
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,000
have going on and where they can just

1430
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,000
keep in touch with everything utah ufo

1431
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:16,870
yeah sure um you can follow us on

1432
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:20,079
facebook uh utah yo4hunters on facebook

1433
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,760
or you can follow me dave rosenfeld on

1434
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,799
facebook

1435
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,960
we do have um

1436
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:27,200
the website is still up it hasn't been

1437
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,880
updated in

1438
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:31,520
years but it's still a great archive

1439
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,880
for the utah information on ufos bigfoot

1440
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:36,640
crop circles anything that happens in

1441
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:38,960
utah it's a huge database

1442
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:41,680
um aliendave.com

1443
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,839
um we do have an instagram a couple

1444
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:45,920
instagram pages

1445
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,160
um utah ufo hunters maybe dave.com

1446
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:52,319
um

1447
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:00,559
oh we're starting a twitter page but

1448
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:04,240
it's not a big deal okay so cool cool

1449
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,520
and uh

1450
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,040
we were

1451
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,280
lightly discussing this last time but uh

1452
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,040
the weather is getting warmer and you go

1453
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,200
out quite often

1454
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:15,520
researching and doing reconnaissance for

1455
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,559
ufo camps and other things

1456
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,559
and definitely people if they want to

1457
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,319
keep in touch with that that's a really

1458
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,480
cool way to keep in touch with your

1459
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:27,119
your photography and uh a lot of the

1460
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:28,640
things that you do on the side and i

1461
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,589
right and um like say um we're working

1462
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,200
on this project that's coming up i'm

1463
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,079
hoping that it goes through it's it's

1464
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,839
one of those projects where the producer

1465
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:43,839
doesn't have anybody above him so he

1466
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:46,240
gets to do what he wants to do with it

1467
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,280
when that

1468
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,079
gets going and starts

1469
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,920
to come to fruition i'm going to let

1470
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,520
everybody know where they can find that

1471
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,960
as well

1472
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:56,160
um

1473
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,119
we

1474
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,920
both ryan you and i was facebook

1475
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:01,680
research and ufo hunters are both

1476
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,200
sponsored to that project they've

1477
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,119
already put this on the books

1478
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,960
so we are considered sponsors if we're

1479
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:08,960
going to have our logos on their stuff

1480
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:11,280
and and all that so it's it's moving

1481
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:16,069
so cool man well i can't thank you

1482
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,920
enough for coming on the podcast it's

1483
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,520
always great to talk to you and i love

1484
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:22,240
all the info you have definitely uh

1485
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,119
can't wait to do it again

1486
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,359
yeah man hit me up anytime all right

1487
00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:30,000
take care always fun time

1488
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,109
bye well there you have it ladies and

1489
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,440
gentlemen dave rosenfeld founder of the

1490
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,440
utah ufo hunters

1491
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,359
you've probably heard of him as alien

1492
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:45,760
dave go to aliendave.com

1493
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:48,960
go to uh utah ufo hunters on instagram

1494
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:51,520
facebook other social media outlets

1495
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,920
um also dave rosenfeld keep an eye out

1496
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:55,680
for what he's got going on there's

1497
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,720
always a lot whether that be podcasts

1498
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,440
television and more and he's not an

1499
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:03,520
armchair researcher he's out in the

1500
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:07,040
field he he goes out four by fouring

1501
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,640
some of the hardest trails there are

1502
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:10,960
looking for some of the hardest stuff to

1503
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,400
see so

1504
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,720
definitely um

1505
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,480
keep a pulse on what he's got going on

1506
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,280
it's always fascinating amazing and very

1507
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:20,960
knowledge

1508
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,720
uh he he gathers a lot a lot of

1509
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,799
knowledge here in utah and i love to

1510
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,440
stay in touch with him until next time

1511
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,280
keep your eyes to the skies feet on the

1512
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:35,359
ground but don't forget to take a look

1513
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:51,540
[Music]

1514
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,390
blast off

1515
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:01,920
glassed off

1516
01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:04,880
come blast off in my time machine third

1517
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,400
eye feeling like an